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Permalink Reply by Chillin on May 6, 2008 at 3:20pm

Yeah, but the "democrats" of old, are not the "new democrats". The "democrats of old" are actually the present day "republicans". The names changed back in the mid 1900s. The "present day democrats" were actually called "whigs" back then.

lol, so they are basically the same, they just changed their names.

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Permalink Reply by Fever on May 10, 2008 at 2:53am

I don't know about that, these "new dem's" are still socialist just like the old dem's...
Isn't Senator Byrd (ex-kkk) a democrat now?
Wasn't Dr. MLK Jr a Republican

It wouldn't surprise me if old Arkansas Wild Bill Clinton has a Klan sheet tucked away with Monica Lewinsky's dress somewhere.

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Permalink Reply by Lomax on May 10, 2008 at 4:51am

The Dem party didn't change until the civil rights movement....up until then, the Dems were for southern states (slave owners)...during the civil rights movement more Democratic leaders began to back the movement (civil rights). "Old Democrats" that still backed the old southern ways moved to the republican party. This started the New Democrats. Blacks shifted from the republican party to the Democrats.

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Permalink Reply by Kala Nation on May 10, 2008 at 6:31am

Correct just one thing we move to the democrates after the great depression even before the civil rights movement.

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Permalink Reply by Fever on May 10, 2008 at 7:12am

KALA WHAT!!!!! Blacks couldn't even vote during the depression, why would they support the democrats. You just pull s*** out of your ass with no references.

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Permalink Reply by Kala Nation on May 10, 2008 at 4:50pm

First of all read your history get some real education before you speak.By the 1930's 80% of the Black population moved to 5 main industrial regions in the US the North was like moving to a new country,Black people had full rights outside the south.The segregation was in the deep south that was not every Black person.In detroit Black men were in city government,also Gary Indiana,Chicago,New York and even in Atlanta Black people voted.The poll tax and literacy test impeded many poor downtrodden from voting but this did not mean we all could not vote.During reconstruction Black men ran states like South Carolina,Louisiana, Tennessee.Please read history before you want to debate me with you talk radio mentality.

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Permalink Reply by Fever on May 10, 2008 at 7:09am

And where did the republicans who were fighting the rights of blacks go when the dems supposedly become republicans?

And to refute your point that they're new dem's and not the old...Al Gore's old democratic father voted against the civil rights act.

Blacks "Gored" By a Lie: Al Gore Sr., the GOP and the Civil Rights Act of 1964
By R.D. Davis

A New Visions Commentary paper published May 1999 by The National Center for Public Policy Research. Reprints permitted provided source is credited.

It is easy to control the minds of a people. All one has to do is change history by lying about the past. This is exactly what has happened with the legacy of former Democratic U.S. Senator Al Gore, Sr. of Tennessee - the father of our current vice president - and his mythical "support" of civil rights.

In a recent speech to the NAACP, Vice President Gore said his father lost his Senate seat because he supported civil rights legislation. Fellow black Americans, let me set history straight. Al Gore, Sr., together with the rest of the southern Democrats, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Congressional Quarterly reported that, in the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as opposed to 80% of Republicans (138 for, 38 against). In the Senate, 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Act while 82% of Republicans did (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democrats voted against the Act.

In his remarks upon signing the Civil Rights Act, President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their "overwhelming majority." He did not offer similar praise to his own Democratic Party. Moreover, Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, an Illinois Republican, collaborated with the White House and the Senate leadership of both parties to draft acceptable compromise amendments to end the southern Democrats' filibuster of the Act. It was Dirksen who often took to the Senate floor to declare, "This is an idea whose time has come. It will not be denied." Dirksen's greatest triumph earned him the Leadership Conference of Civil Rights Award, presented by then-NAACP Chairman Roy Wilkins, for his remarkable civil rights leadership.

Inform yourself, so you can learn for yourself about this important historical event. All official records about the Civil Rights Act can be found in the June 1964 issues of Congressional Quarterly.

Al Gore, Sr. did not stop at simply voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In addition, Congressional Quarterly reported that Gore attempted to send the Act to the Senate Judiciary Committee with an amendment to say "in defiance of a court desegregation order, federal funds could not be held from any school districts." Gore sought to take the teeth out of the Act in the event it passed.

Ostensibly, Senator Gore was "elated" at the idea of young Al, Jr. going to school with black children. In reality, however, the future vice president attended an elite private school.

In the end, the Gore Amendment was defeated by a vote of 74-25. Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas, one of President Bill Clinton's political mentors, was among the 23 southern Democratic senators and only one Republican voting with Gore for this racist amendment.

Republican Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona voted against the Civil Rights Act because he was afraid the nation would be transformed into a "police state" as a result of some of its provisions. He did not want to throw out the proverbial "baby with the bath water." History, of course, labeled Goldwater a racist even though he voted against the Gore Amendment - an amendment devised to continue school segregation. If anyone in the Senate should be tagged as a racist, it should be those voting for the Gore Amendment. Why didn't history record Al Gore, Sr. and the other southern Democrats as racists?

At least civil rights activist Andrew Young was forthcoming about this oversight in his book An Easy Burden. Young wrote, "The southern segregationists were all Democrats, and it was black Republicans... who could effectively influence the appointment of federal judges in the South." Young noted that the best civil rights judges were Republicans appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower. Young admitted, "These judges are among the many unsung heroes of the civil rights movement."

History tends to unilaterally and falsely depict Republicans as racists when southern Democrats truly deserved this title. We now have southern Democrats as both President and Vice President. That would never be the case without the power of the lie and the liberal news media to alter people's impressions.

Lies can enslave men, but the truth shall set them free. I challenge you, the reader, to take the time to research the facts about our past in publications like Congressional Quarterly and An Easy Burden. Once you educate yourself, you can no longer be deceived by the fabulists. No longer will you be "gored" by a lie.

(R.D. Davis is a member of Project 21 and a writer and radio talk show host in Huntsville, Alabama. He can be reached at rddavis@acninc.net)
Note: New Visions Commentaries reflect the views of their author, and not necessarily those of Project 21.

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Permalink Reply by Kala Nation on May 10, 2008 at 6:29am

You are right but this guy thinks we dont know history.The party changed during FDR administration and we have been with it since.

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Permalink Reply by Fever on May 10, 2008 at 7:27am

You should know by now Kala that if you are going to debate my statements which I provide with references you should do the same, unless you making it up, and that I can understand.

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Permalink Reply by Fever on May 10, 2008 at 4:58am

Are you going to vote?

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Permalink Reply by Lomax on May 10, 2008 at 4:59am

The New Deal Coalition began to fracture as more Democratic leaders voiced support for civil rights, upsetting the party's traditional base of conservative Southern Democrats (former slave owners) and ethnic Catholics in Northern cities. After Harry Truman's platform gave strong support to civil rights and anti-segregation laws during the 1948 Democratic National Convention, many Southern Democratic delegates decided to split from the Party and formed the "Dixiecrats," led by South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond (who, as a Senator, would later join the Republican Party). Over the next few years, many conservative Democrats in the "Solid South" drifted away from the party. On the other hand, African Americans, who had traditionally given strong support to the Republican Party since its inception as the "anti-slavery party," shifted to the Democratic Party due to its New Deal economic opportunities and support for civil rights—largely due to New Deal relief programs, patronage offers, and the advocacy of civil rights by First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt.

Basically the Dems were initially for the old southern ways....after Truman gave support for the civil rights movement, "racist" democrats formed their own party, or moved to the republican party.

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Permalink Reply by Lomax on May 10, 2008 at 5:13am

so to answer your question......yes, the kkk had deep roots within the Democratic party, but that all changed. The kkk is like a disease. They will infect anyone and anything they can....they were initially for the democrats, but things changed. Today they are more independent, but they will vote for whoever will forward their agenda. Right now, they vote for Obama, because they think he has less of a chance to win against McCain. If Obama was to win the presidential election, however, they would attempt to kill him. ( this is straight from their websites , so I'm no conspiracy theorist) They have videos uploaded that also state this.They have no intentions of being led by a female or a black male president.

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