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Race within the Latino/ Hispanic culture and Latinos Vs. Black Americans
First off this is meant to be an intelligent conversation/discussion between latinos and other latinos, and Latinos and Black Americans. So we can see our similarities, differences and see how we can improve ourselves. Please dont turn this into an ignorant race bashing arguement. Thank you. And to all my fellow Latinos....Latinos para siempre!!!!!!!!
I am Dominican and Jamaican and as every Latino/Hispano knows, our culture doesnt have a disinct look to it, as does the Caucasian, Oriental, Black American (for the most part), Arab, or most other Races in the world. We, for the most part, are a mix of African/ Black ( from the slaves brought from Africa), European/ White ( from the conquistadors, and eventually the settlers that would come after), and Indian/ Brown ( from the indigenious peoples that were here long before Cristobal Colon, and his band of Spanish murders came to Hispanola (The island in which the countries The Dominican Republic and Haiti are located).
Throught our history as a people and a culture, we have had slavery, genocide, and forced assimilation into the European/White ways of doing things, so much as Black and Brown Latinos are conditioned to believe that they need to be more white or the arent "Latino/ Hispanic enough". This idea of not being ''Latino enough" is a foolish almost crazy notion being that Latinos/Hispanos come in all races and colors: black, white, brown, red, light, dark, mixed, red boned, straight hair, curly hair, nappy hair, kinky hair, short hair, long hair, blond, brunette, red head, black hair, green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes, black eyes, gray eyes and hazelnut eyes.
Even though these facts exist in front of Latino/Hispanos on an everyday basis, through music, food, dress, dance, culture, even slang and dialects in some places, this way of thought has led to problems between Latinos/Hispanics and Black Americans in The United States ranging from small conflicts (small differences) between Caribenos and other "Black latinos" with Black Americans, to almost out and out war between Mexicanos and Blacks in LA, California.
My question is that, since most Latinos/Hispanos share the same racial history with Black Americans and Latinos/Hispanos on a whole whether linked by race to the Black Americans or not, share the same finacial struggle, the struggle against prejudice, and for the most part the same struggle period...Why do we as Latinos/Hispanos (Even if there is little physical diiference...i.e. some Boricuas, Most Dominicans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Cubans, Brazilians, Colombians..etc) think that we are better than the Black Americans, when their sacrifices have led to us having all of the freedom we enjoy.
I myself, have been guilty of thinking that because the way I was raised, I was subconsciously taught that I was better than Black Americans, because of my heritage. I had to educated myself away from that thinking and realize that I was black too, Atleast skin colorwise, so even though I had an ability to speak a different language, dance to merengue and bachata, visit family in Latin America and call another culture other than the American culture my own, to white America, I was still a n*****. Albiet, I was now a spanish n*****, but still a n*****. Even to my own people, who are finding a hard time dealing with their own race, I would be looked at strangely if I compared us to Blacks, and my question is why??
We have the same history, race, struggle...we just had it in different countries under different masters who spoke different languages i.e. Spanish, French, Dutch, English, and/or Portugese. I would like to hear everyones view on this, no matter if if you are not latino. If you are Black American, Spanish, Dutch, French, Portugese, or African...please weight in on this topic. Thanks.
I am Dominican and Jamaican and as every Latino/Hispano knows, our culture doesnt have a disinct look to it, as does the Caucasian, Oriental, Black American (for the most part), Arab, or most other Races in the world. We, for the most part, are a mix of African/ Black ( from the slaves brought from Africa), European/ White ( from the conquistadors, and eventually the settlers that would come after), and Indian/ Brown ( from the indigenious peoples that were here long before Cristobal Colon, and his band of Spanish murders came to Hispanola (The island in which the countries The Dominican Republic and Haiti are located).
Throught our history as a people and a culture, we have had slavery, genocide, and forced assimilation into the European/White ways of doing things, so much as Black and Brown Latinos are conditioned to believe that they need to be more white or the arent "Latino/ Hispanic enough". This idea of not being ''Latino enough" is a foolish almost crazy notion being that Latinos/Hispanos come in all races and colors: black, white, brown, red, light, dark, mixed, red boned, straight hair, curly hair, nappy hair, kinky hair, short hair, long hair, blond, brunette, red head, black hair, green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes, black eyes, gray eyes and hazelnut eyes.
Even though these facts exist in front of Latino/Hispanos on an everyday basis, through music, food, dress, dance, culture, even slang and dialects in some places, this way of thought has led to problems between Latinos/Hispanics and Black Americans in The United States ranging from small conflicts (small differences) between Caribenos and other "Black latinos" with Black Americans, to almost out and out war between Mexicanos and Blacks in LA, California.
My question is that, since most Latinos/Hispanos share the same racial history with Black Americans and Latinos/Hispanos on a whole whether linked by race to the Black Americans or not, share the same finacial struggle, the struggle against prejudice, and for the most part the same struggle period...Why do we as Latinos/Hispanos (Even if there is little physical diiference...i.e. some Boricuas, Most Dominicans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Cubans, Brazilians, Colombians..etc) think that we are better than the Black Americans, when their sacrifices have led to us having all of the freedom we enjoy.
I myself, have been guilty of thinking that because the way I was raised, I was subconsciously taught that I was better than Black Americans, because of my heritage. I had to educated myself away from that thinking and realize that I was black too, Atleast skin colorwise, so even though I had an ability to speak a different language, dance to merengue and bachata, visit family in Latin America and call another culture other than the American culture my own, to white America, I was still a n*****. Albiet, I was now a spanish n*****, but still a n*****. Even to my own people, who are finding a hard time dealing with their own race, I would be looked at strangely if I compared us to Blacks, and my question is why??
We have the same history, race, struggle...we just had it in different countries under different masters who spoke different languages i.e. Spanish, French, Dutch, English, and/or Portugese. I would like to hear everyones view on this, no matter if if you are not latino. If you are Black American, Spanish, Dutch, French, Portugese, or African...please weight in on this topic. Thanks.
Tags: black, boricua, dominican, hispanic, jamaican, latino, race, racism, spanish, white
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Permalink Reply by Ricochet Rock Nice on -
As long as White America has it's way there will always be problems and conflicts that's why he
brings together this melting pot when people come to this country and start working and getting
jobs and make goo gobs of money then open up businesses before our eyes we cant complain
why because BLACK PEOPLE dont stick together they just hate on one another and everybody
sees this and knows this is fact then thats why we do not get the respect even though we made
this country into the so called greatest country in the world. Latinos stick together I give them
credit and all do respect Mexicans too they stick together and they are blowing up.
Black People are too busy trying to be Eurocentric and bootlicking not all Black People just
the unconcious ones who do not know why they were enslaved in the first place and dont
really care to know why but yet have the nerve to hate on one another with their crab in
the barrel slave like mentality wake up you sissies I'm calling you out I'm a soldier
And I cant fight the war by myself freedom isnt free you have to take it by any means
necessary they are killing us and we are killing our selves and each other so what
kind of mentality is that?
You have to pay to live and you have to pay to die just for them to throw dirt in your face
you have to pay for that remember that everything in America is about financial gain
even at your expense even if they have to kill you by any means necessary or have
you kill each other somebody is going to get paid and benefit from it believe that.
You think we were slaves for only 400 yrs think again we were slaves for thousands of
years even in Egypt and guess what we are still slaves in America (DUH!).
The Black man is the most feared the most hated and the most hunted ask yourselves
why.
They already instilled the fear concept long before they killed Martin L. King
and Malcolm X and John F. Kennedy
The trees have blood on them America has alot of Blood on it's hands and they
cant wash it off and yet they cant understand why are they hated.in a country
that breeds hate.
This just doesnt compute to me
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Permalink Reply by Casanova on -
I think this is a very well put together point. It doesnt compute for me either. In Latin America...we are taught to forget our blackness by the whites and taught that is not good to be black....even though over half of latino culture comes from Africa...and over a third to half (by most estimates) of latinos are black or half enough black in them to be considered black, but we are taught to lean more towards our white (spaniard) cultural influences, not our Indian or African influences. But even so we have multitudes of latinos that buck that system and the oppression put on us....basically what I am saying is for us its tha same s***, different toliet....we need to come together as also within ourselves and fight this oppression by european races against african and indigenous peoples.
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Permalink Reply by kingwilliam on -
hey my friend... racial difference will always exist on this earth... im not going to blame it on white america or anyone... well all suffer from our own form of prejudice against something or someone... as far as blacks and latins, i do know, and forever will feel that we are all in the same boat when it comes to america... asians and arabs see a different form of racism than us.but they are still viewed as being different then a regular white person... they are just not considered as low as us.. we have been placed inside the same cities... ghettos... and hoods together... and we have been forgotten by america... together
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